Friday Coffee Chat (10) – Are some books a waste of paper?



Last week I took the week off for Friday Coffee Chat because BlogFest was starting and I was a participant. Jennifer at Girls Gone Reading did a fantastic post about authors that are overblown and overexposed. It created some good discussion and if you haven’t read it, I definitely recommend dropping by her blog to read and comment on it. Of course, I had a lot to say about it!

This week Jennifer is talking about women in literature and how they seem to always fall into certain stereotypes in her post, Just Half a Girl. I know almost everyone has an opinion about that so make sure you check out her post!

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This week I want to talk about those books that you abhorred so much that you a) thought they were a waste of paper, b) thought they were too bad to even give away to a friend, and/or c) left you questioning how the book got published in the first place.

First up is Eragon. I have no worries about Christopher Paolini weeping about my dislike of this book because if he is, he’s certainly weeping into $100 bills. This book was WILDLY popular. Everyone read it and loved it. Oh all these people on Shelfari, Amazon, and other forums where people talk about books just fell all over themselves about this book. You know what?!! I thought it was terrible. Not only do I think he stole parts of his story from just about every fantasy writer and series that I liked, I think he did it blatantly. Some of the names were changed by one letter or not even changed at all. There are several blogs/websites that go into greater detail than I will here, but here are a few examples:
  • Arya -- He has an elf character named Arya. So does George R.R. Martin in his Song of Ice and Fire series that was published seven years earlier.
  • Lord of the Rings -- Oh there are so many names here that it’s just annoying. How about The Lonely Mountain, The Grey Folk, Elessari (Elessar in LotR) to name just a few.
  • The similarities in storyline or unique elements in other books by other authors--Earthsea and Pern I thought were VERY similar in some ways and on another site someone said that David Eddings work was also plagiarized.
Here are two sites that have gone into greater detail: Pixie Dust and Matchstick. Check them out if you are interested.

A lot of people say that Paolini was so young when he published the book that it is a feat in and of itself for him to create such a work. Does that give him a pass? Hmmm...not in my book because last time I checked, you could be thrown out of college for plagiarism. Why does it not work the same in high school? Yeah, I don't buy it. Paolini gets a big thumbs down and a razzberry from me. Luckily, I borrowed this book so I didn’t have to throw it in the fireplace.


The next book I thought was not worth the paper it was printed on was Web of Debt by Ellen Hodgson Brown. This book was about the Fed and how corrupt and secretive it is. Sounds like an interesting topic and had the potential to be a very good book, but it just devolved into cheap conspiracy theorist fodder that I had trouble even finishing. I finished it only because it was for a book group, but any author that purports the Middle Ages to be a time of prosperity for most people gets a thumbs down in my book. I guess she’s overlooking the fairly short life expectancy during the Middle Ages for the obvious benefit of seeming to have endless amounts of leisure time to build cathedrals and other massive buildings without any fear of starvation for their families. I’m paraphrasing here, but she advocated the use of different forms of currency and bartering instead of a national monetary system and lauded the use of things like “Ron Paul dollars” while glossing over the South’s economic crisis during the Civil War when the Southern states had numerous currencies which eventually contributed to the collapse of the economy. There were so many contradictions in this book that it just became a jumbled mess. A lot of the things she argued for as a solution, she refuted as a problem in other parts of the book. I’m so embarrassed that I bought this book that I considered using it as kindling in my fireplace. Yup...I actually considered burning a book until I found this awesome wreath made by Julie on Book Hooked Blog. I don’t have to feel guilty about burning a book, but I don’t have to have massive guilt for contributing to someone else’s delinquency by passing it on to read.

These two books obviously have an audience. There are 149 reviews of Web of Debt on Amazon.com--128 of which gave the book 5 stars. Some people in my group even enjoyed the book as did my Dad who thought it was excellent. As far as Eragon goes, Christopher Paolini is bathing in a shower that shoots out $100 bills so plenty of people have obviously loved his book. Still, I was so upset after I read these two books (as you can see in my description of them) that I could never, ever in good conscience send these books on to someone else.


So my question for this week’s Friday Coffee Chat is:

Have you ever had such a negative visceral reaction to a book you threw it away or refused to pass it on to someone else (or made a pretty arts and crafts project out of it)?

If so, let us know why OR tell me why you think I am way off base for refusing to pass on certain books that other people might actually enjoy.

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I gave up on Eat, Pray, Love. There. I've admitted it now. I gave up because I do not think it is worth the paper it is printed on.

Yeah, you read that right.

I understand by admitting that I have not finished the book that it might be a tad disingenuous for me to declare it "not worth the paper it's printed on". But hear me out.

I know many women who LOVED this book. It's not a best-seller for nothing. It definitely hit a nerve with many women, propelling it to extreme success for Elizabeth Gilbert, culminating in the movie released not long ago.

I wanted to like this book so, so badly. My sister had sent me her copy ages ago, declaring that I "had to" read it. But it sat on my shelf for roughly three years. I picked it up a few months back, thinking that I could read the book and then see the movie for compare/contrast purposes. I figured if nothing else, it would make for a great piece on my blog.

Let me tell you, the Elizabeth Gilbert portrayed in the pages of Eat, Pray, Love just got under my skin from the very beginning. There are several reasons why I feel like I had such an immediate visceral reaction to it. I had experienced some very traumatic things in my own relationship with my husband in the last two years or so. There were times that I was that woman crying on the bathroom floor because I didn't know what else to do. But the difference between me and Liz? I put significant work into facing my situation head-on and I slowly put my life back together. Well that, and I didn't have a publisher willing to finance a trip so I could find myself. But I'll get to that.

I hated (hated!) how she handled the demise of her marriage. Let me be clear, it was her choice to end her marriage, and I don't necessarily disagree with her decision to leave. That's what makes it her life and not mine. But I was so turned off by the almost teenager-like behavior (obsessive behavior towards her boyfriend) and general dramatic nature of her description of her depression. She didn't behave like an adult and talk to her husband and end her marriage responsibly. No, she left and then had the gall to be pissed off that he wouldn't let her "go" easily. Now, I'm sure he behaved abominably on his own, but it doesn't give her a pass to act like such a self-involved, dramatic kid.

Plus, the whole concept of her "finding herself" lost it's honesty when she outright admitted that she sold the concept of the book before she left. It would have been easier for me to overlook what I would consider to be simple personality flaws if I had felt that her self-discovery had happened sans payoff beforehand. It's hard for me to root for someone who basically said "I got paid to discover who I am". Please.

And sure, I can fully admit that part of my nasty reaction to the book is pure, unadulterated jealousy. I would have LOVED to get away to "find myself" in the midst of my own trauma. But I am not a writer...and I don't have a publishing company or an agent.

I know that there had been questions awhile back about whether or not women who were happily married reacted differently to the book in comparison with single women. Maybe single women more often didn't like the book. I don't know. I'm in the minority not only because I fall into a group who is happily married, but survived a crisis in my own marriage. And I am also aware that I am part of a minority of people that either didn't like the book or couldn't stand to finish it. I only got to India with Liz...and then I gave up.

But hey, to those of you who loved it...more power to you. Not. My. Cup. Of. Tea.
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Carin, I don't think you are ugly here.Again, I haven't read either of the books you mention so I can't say much about them but I told John and he read Eragon among a lot of the other authors you mention. He totally agrees with you about the similarities between Eragon and other books (he agrees on Earthsee and Edding's books). He also mentioned the age of the writer (again, no difference, plagiarism is plagiarism) but also mentioned that his family obviously invested a lot of money in order for him to publish his book, so it was obviously not only beginner's luck and talent.

As for my book that is not worth the paper, that would be The Da Vinci Code. Actually it is interchangeable with Angels & Demons and for me it was rather the latter, since I read The Da Vinci Code first. But basically The Da Vinci Code was plagiarism in its highest form since the author plagiarized himself. I don't know why nobody else ever complains about this but the two books are EXACTLY the same story, just another chick and another location. How Brown could have the guts to write the same book twice and how the publisher had the nerve to publish it and how the readership did not acknowledge that is beyond me. When I read Angels & Demons (after The Da Vince Code) I was appalled.
If someone else plagiarizes you it might possibly be considered flattering, but he just wrote the same book twice with some more controversial theories thrown in for good measure (probably to distract from the similarities to the first Langdon book).
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Count me in on the Eat, Pray, Love dislike-list. That book made me so angry! (By the way, check out The Bizarre Truth by Andrew Zimmern for a much deeper insight into people and traveling experiences. I loved it.

So, my horrible books list -

Can I just be in the minority here and talk about how horrible Wolf Hall is? Seriously, I lost the story/characters at least twice a page while I attempted to get through that book. 100 pages in I threw it down in disgust. There was no way I was getting through it and figuring out, yet again, who "he" was.

Blindness by Jose Saramago was another one. It read like a really badly edited english assignment.

Here's what I don't get - what these authors do is against everything we're taught when it comes to grammar and story-writing mechanics. Yet.. somehow.. these techniques are labeled as "brilliant" and they win awards. I don't get these books and I think that's the case with a lot of people, but many of them are afraid to SAY they don't get it.

Me, I just toss them across the room!
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LOL what a great post and coffee chat discussion! I actually liked Paolini's books... but I've also read very very very little fantasy, so didn't recognize the plagiarism. Very not cool.

Most of the books I really hated have huge followings too (see yesterday's post on my blog - LOL). In all seriousness though, some books I really dislike and question the huge cult-like following for:

Wings by Aprilynne Pike
Eat, Pray, Love by Elizabeth Gilbert
The Vampire Diaries series (especially the new ones) by L.J. Smith
Love in the Time of Cholera by Gabriel Garcia Marquez

I just want to say really? What? Huh? Confused! But ALL of those books are loved by so many people, so I guess I can rag all I want :D

Oh, and can I mention quickly - Nicholas Sparks and James Patterson? HEHE
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I read Eragon and thought it was so...eh. It didn't feel like anything new and it was SO repetitive "let's go somewhere and on the way I will train you". It worked in Lord of the Rings because Tolkien had a way with language and was able to make art out of words. Did not work with that one. I won't read anything else in the series.

I wouldn't say that Twilight is a waste of paper. I hate it. I hate what girls CAN take out of it (most don't but some do). But it DID get lots of teens to pick up a book. And I am hoping that they pick up more that are better and have better messages (maybe The Hunger Games?), so i cannot hate it too much.

That said, as someone in the industry, I can't say any book that makes money is a waste of paper because without those blockbusters that annoy some of us to no end, the amazing books that are mid list or lose money but are our favorites would never be published.
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KING LEARY! ok sorry for the caps, but oh my gosh that book I threw across the room then retrieved it and through it again! It was part of Canada Reads and won Canada Reads and it was rubbish! Like a sandwich that looks good but with absolutely no filling at all. Worst of all it was being promoted by one of my favorite non-fiction authors, Dave Bidini, and I don't know why he would promote such trash! Argh!
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OMG I got about 5 pages into Eragon and wanted to pitch it. I also wanted to smack the author upside his head with his over used Thesaurus.

I read all of the Gargoyle but hated pretty much every minute of it.
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I'm sorry, but I have to say "Wizards First Rule" falls into this category for me. I bought the book to read on an airplane and couldn't even make it through half of it. I mean, I can read ANYTHING on an airplane. I literally (for the sake of humanity) trashed the stupid thing in the lavatory.

Another book was Anne Bishop's "Pillars of the World." I read the whole book (a feat in and of itself) and had a hard time even giving it one star. The only reason I did give it one star was because I thought the author should have been given props for finding that many words to fill that many pages. It's sad, because I LOVE her "Black Jewels Trilogy."

There are some books I think are detrimental to society because they are so terrible, thus it is a service to get rid of the damn things.

And, for my humorous aside, I guess Brandon Sanderson, Chris Paolini and Patrick Rothfuss got together at ComicCon for dinner and had some discussion about their books wherein Paolini said that in is first draft Eragorn was really named Kevin and Rothfuss replied with "In my first draft, Kvothe was really a pink lesbian unicorn" or something along those lines.
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Uh oh....I like the Eragon books, and you know for a fact I read other fantsy, but didn't feel the plagarism thing...Lots of fantasy books seem to have over-lapping themes and names, IMHO. Also, rather enjoyed The DaVinci Code, tho I hadn't expected. to. Haven't read, and don't plan to read the others in the series. Books I hated? Saving Fish From Drowning, Julie and Julia, and I know there were others, but I seem to have blissfully forgotten!
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I haven't read either of yours, but let me add to the growing list....

The Lovely Bones, everyone loved it and I disliked it with a passion. I can't even remember exactly why anymore.

Water: The Epic Struggle for Wealth, Power, and Civilization by Stephen Soloman would have been more aptly subtitled The history of water and everything it ever touched, from the moment it was created until that last drop left in your glass an hour ago.

I never even bothered to pick up Eat, Pray, Love because the whole premise was asinine in my mind. Wouldn't we all love to be paid to get run away from our lives to sort things out? Doh! Where do I sign up?

See what you started here?

Oh, one more. Living Organized by Sandra Felton. That woman better hope that I never meet her face to face. I just might forget that I am a lady and slap her back into the decade where she belongs. Anyone that bemoans with a pure husband, wondering why his wife doesn't take enough pride in herself to clean up her house is a waste of paper. She should be reminding him that a marriage is a team and that his arms aren't broken. Then maybe she could write a manual for men on how to do their own laundry or clean a toilet.
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I talked about this a little last week on my post, but I hated The Corrections by Jonathon Franzen. I thought it was just trying too hard to be deep...it just ended up being monotonous. Horrible...I can get metaphor, but a whole book of metaphor should just be a great allusion book like Lord of the Flies.

I do need to say that I COMPLETELY agree with you about Eragon. I don't read a lot of fantasy, as you know, but I even thought he was copying while I was reading. You are dead on about this. He is/was home schooled so I felt like his rich parents knew someone in publishing and just published this plagiarized book. (PS-I have no idea if he is rich, just that the book was annoying)
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You should read Lord of the Flies. I assign it a lot for my students to read, and on the surface it is a good action story. The boys, especially, like it. The great thing about it though is when you reread it (or know the first time) that everything in the novel is a symbol for something else. Each character represents a trait, the objects represent something, etc. Then you can see the true genius of the book. It is not a book that I reread constantly because I love it, but the ideas behind it I find inspiring and impressive. I want you to read it soon, so we can talk about it! I think you should soon too because now I am going to read a fantasy book!!!
Jane Eyre. Most boring, ridiculous piece of trash ever written. Not worth the paper it's printed on. I haven't read the books you mentioned but don't really feel inclined to.
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Hmmm, I find it difficult to think of a book that I hated so much that it wasn't worth the paper it was printed on... Everything is Illuminated comes to mind. I thought it was awful and quite offensive.
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